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Bonjour,
J’ai une feuille avec 3 exercices sur u-psud.
Calcul de la note : I*Q avec I=I0.
une élève a :
Qualité Cumul
ex 1 (coef 3) : 5.04 100 %
ex 2 (coef 1) : 10.0 100 %
ex 3 (coef 2) : 8.84 100 %Normalement, si je compte bien, ca devrait faire 7.13/10 en qualité, donc 14.27/20
Or, elle a 6.46 en qualité sur la feuille, soit une note de 13/20.D’où vient la différence ?
Merci d’avance.
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Bonjour
Je me suis replongée dans le code dans lequel cette note est calculée (src/score.c).La note de qualité de la feuille tient compte du nombre de points requis aussi.
En fait, du nombre de points cumulés par l’élève (qui est donc majoré par le nombre de points requis). Ici comme l’élève a un nombre de points cumulés maximum, c’est
(3*5*5.04 + 1*2*10.0+3*2*8.84)/ (3*5 + 2*1+3*2)=6.46
En général, la formule serait si le cumul de l’élève est à x, y, z (dans ton cas)
(3*x*5.04 + 1*y*10.0+3*z*8.84)/ (3*x + 1*y+ 3*z)
(cela tient compte vraiment de ce qui a été fait, pas de ce qui est demandé).Je corrige la documentation imprécise (donc fausse) dans la doc technique de wims (aides contextuelles) et laisse les auteurs de documentation autre corriger.
Merci de cette remarque (heureusement que le code est ouvert !).
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Ca part d’une bonne intention, mais ça me semble totalement contre intuitif, aussi
bien pour les profs que les élèves.
De plus, lesQuestion 1 : on peut mettre des coefs décimaux ? 0.6 par exemple.
Question 2 : on peut modifier les coefs après création de la feuille ?
Je me retrouve avec un exercice coef 15, là :-/David.
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Ca part d’une bonne intention, mais ça me semble totalement contre intuitif, donc décalé avec ce que vont comprendre les utilisateurs (les profs, et encore plus les élèves). Je pense qu’un prof sur 10, au mieux, lira la notice.
On est content quand les élèves savent calculer une moyenne pondérée, alors s’il y a double pondération … (C’est coef 2, mais comme je demande 30 points et pas 20, en fait, c’est coef 3).
Je ne vois pas le rapport entre le nombre de points cumulés et le coef d’un exo.
Un exo 2 fois plus court, on demandera facilement de le répéter plus de fois. Mais c’est pas pour ça qu’il devrait compter plus.Je ne sais pas si je suis clair.
Bon, du coup :
Question 1 : on peut mettre des coefs décimaux ou rationnels? 0.6 ou 1/3 par exemple.
Question 2 : on peut modifier les coefs après création de la feuille ? Si oui, je n’ai pas trouvé.
Je me retrouve avec un exercice coef 15, là. Tant pis, je vais recalculer à la main chaque moyenne sur 70 élèves.Petite doléance au passage :
Dans gestion des participants, pour chaque feuille, on peut voir :
la qualité, le pourcentage des points cumulés, les notes, le niveau de réussite et le niveau d’acquisition.
Mais quand on clique sur une feuille pour avoir le détail par exercice, on ne peut plus choisir les notes.
Est-il possible de rajouter facilement cette fonctionnalité, ou est-ce un choix volontaire de ne pas le proposer ? Ou pb technique ?Encore merci pour vos réponses éclairantes et votre disponibilité.
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Je ne vois pas le rapport entre le nombre de points cumulés et le coef d’un exo.
Il s’agit de la qualité : l’idée doit être que l’on mesure la qualité de ce qui a été fait, pas de ce qu’on aurait dû faire.
Bon, du coup :
Question 1 : on peut mettre des coefs décimaux ou rationnels? 0.6 ou 1/3 par exemple.
Je ne sais pas, mais on peut aussi tout multiplier pour avoir des entiers !
Question 2 : on peut modifier les coefs après création de la feuille ? Si oui, je n’ai pas trouvé.
Non, pas actuellement.
Avant l’activation, c’est dans Changement du barêmePetite doléance au passage :
Dans gestion des participants, pour chaque feuille, on peut voir :
la qualité, le pourcentage des points cumulés, les notes, le niveau de réussite et le niveau d’acquisition.
Mais quand on clique sur une feuille pour avoir le détail par exercice, on ne peut plus choisir les notes.
Est-il possible de rajouter facilement cette fonctionnalité, ou est-ce un choix volontaire de ne pas le proposer ? Ou pb technique ?Les notes de la feuille ? Ce n’est pas un problème technique, mais comme c’est
par exercice, avec un choix de qualité, cumules, etc, cela ne paraissait pas essentiel (c’est une information qui utilise d’autres indicateurs que celui demandé). Pas de question de principe dessus. Mais je ne veux pas ressembler à l’ane de Buridan, donc on verra cela dans une ergonomie globale. -
Pour un exercice :
La qualité, c’est la note indépendamment de la quantité de travail.
Je fais bien la différence entre la qualité et la note (cumul x qualité ou autre selon choix), pas d’inquiétude à avoir 🙂
Si le cumul est de 100%, du coup, note = qualité.Pour une feuille :
C’est la que ca m’intéresse :
Poids : c’est l’importance qu’on donne aux exos dans WIMS en configurant la feuille, donc la valeur saisie.
Coef : Poids x points_à_cumuler /10 (oui, oui, le /10 est facultatif 🙂 )un élève qui voit ses notes regarde aussi les Poids en pensant que ce sont les coefs. On doit calculer des poids bizarres qui ne sont pas les vrais coefs de l’exercice. Mes élèves n’ont rien compris hier.
Ils n’ont pas accès à l’info coef et ils m’ont bien fait comprendre que ça les saoulait.
notes de la feuille :
Ca me permet, perso, de voir en une seule fois là où il y a des problèmes
(Note < 7/10 à un exo, par exemple) -> j’ouvre un nouvel onglet pour voir le détail des notes de l’élève.
Actuellement, j’ouvre une page cumul à gauche et une page note à droite, et je regarde les 2 en même temps. C’est pas essentiel, mais ça m’aiderait.
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